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good afternoon and welcome to the

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Kennedy Space Center and our hidden

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figures panel discussion thank you all

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so much for being here with us in the

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1960s NASA was on an ambitious journey

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to the moon and the human computers

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portrayed in hidden figures helped get

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us there hidden figures is a 20th

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Century Fox movie based on actual events

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while the film dramatizes some aspects

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it is true to the struggles of the women

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at the center of the story Catherine

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Dorothy Vaughan and Mary Jackson the

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victories for racial and gender rights

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were not achieved easily or quickly and

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our work is not done

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today NASA strives to make sure their

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legacy of inclusion and excellence lives

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on we must also take a moment to

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remember the passing of an American hero

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John Glenn whether you knew John

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personally or not you were touched by

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his grace and character he's even a part

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of the fabric of this film Jim Parsons

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said quote in many ways Glenn is the

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reason we have this movie now we are

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pleased to be joined by members of the

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hidden figures cast and its producer and

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director please welcome to my left

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Ted Melfi that is the writer and

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director of hidden figures Octavia

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Spencer plays Dorothy Vaughan hidden

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figures taraji P Henson plays Catherine

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Johnson hidden figures Janelle Monae

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plays Mary Jackson Pharrell Williams

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producer hidden figures and bill berry

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NASA historian bill thank you all so

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much for being here today how was the

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tour so far great huh

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amazing I have a question first for you

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I know you were quoted as as saying that

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you dedicated this film to everyone in

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the world who sat through unconscious

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bias mm-hmm

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tell us a little bit about the process

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the process of making of why you feel

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that way ah well I mean it's a story you

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know I mean the movie is about that

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conscious bias in my mind right the

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movies about color bathrooms and colored

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coffee pots and not getting promotions

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not being paid what you're worth not

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becoming a supervisor when you're

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qualified to become a supervisor that's

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what the movie not not being able to go

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to a school to get a degree like Mary

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Jax's character or like Mary Jax's

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character having the same degree as a

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man but that degree is good for a man to

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be an engineer but not good enough for a

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female to be an engineer not putting

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your name on the report Catherine

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Johnson wrote many reports that her name

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is name is not on these are the that's

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what unconscious bias is for me and

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that's what the movie is about all those

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things that are not overt per se but

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they're they're very you know they

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permeate every aspect of of civil rights

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and NASA and and the struggles this

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country had back then and the struggles

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we see today ladies I want to ask you

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know taraji won at the Toronto Film

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Festival I read something said you

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actually teared up at one point then

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that because it was so overwhelming can

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you ladies address that I mean what I

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mean by that is when I discovered that

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these incredible women existed I was

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saddened because there was a universal

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understanding when I when I was coming

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up that math was for math and science

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was for boys so I already had a low

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expectation of myself when it came to

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math and science and when I think back

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throughout my whole education i sat in

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the back of the class on math the

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science because it wasn't for me and so

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I get this script script and I read it

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and through all the obstacles they still

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did these amazed

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it was still able to change the course

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of history and how come I don't know

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that how come we didn't know that and I

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became really angry because I felt like

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a dream had been stolen from me um and

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so then I remember saying to Ted I have

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to do this movie this movie is so

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important I had to do this movie because

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I not one girl should be to feel like

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how I felt I mean it's just crazy it's

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crazy um what was the question

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whoa sorry the movie and and and why

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this was such the kind of movie you

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wanted to do oh well I

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it's sad but I when I first heard about

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it I thought it was historical fiction

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and that says that we weren't heralding

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the inner-workings we weren't speaking

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to the minds that got our men to space

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and I just knowing the contributions

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that all of these women made as well as

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the white computers who weren't even

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honored I wanted to be a part of their

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telling the telling of their story you

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know a part of American history and an

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important American history these are

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American heroes and for me I I read the

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script and you know heard about their

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contributions and learn more about the

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women and what NASA did during that era

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when they put aside the isms the sexes

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of the racism the classism when they

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realized that at the end of the day we

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all bleed the same color that's when we

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achieve the extraordinary and I just

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pray that it serves as a reminder of

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what we can do when we put those things

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aside and and become one living

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breathing organism moving forward for

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how do you decide when you're thinking

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about the music for a movie like this

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how does it come together well this one

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was a bit different for me because I

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started working on music and toward the

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end of 2014 there was 1960s esque

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and somewhere in 15 we got the call

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about the project and it was like okay

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the universe was sort of tune in my mind

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to be able to write songs that were

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going to be bespoke for the film's such

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as running and I see a victory and while

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in the process it's like you think about

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why songs made it back in those days and

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that's because there were so many you

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know walls of adversity and so many

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barriers for race and for gender and

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just advancement period that when people

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made music they called it soul music

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because the music literally came from

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their souls and it had to it had to be

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able to tear through and cut through all

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those barriers to make it on the other

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side to any to the to the ears of any

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race that just a good song was a good

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song so I found myself trying to

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challenge myself in the way that those

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writers and and producers and singers

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did back then bill lastly to you so was

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there a lot of a give-and-take or were

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there times where you're talking to Ted

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you go no you can't do it that way Ted

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doesn't work that way well Ted 9th and a

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number of other folks at NASA helped a

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lot with providing all sorts of

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information for things we talked quite a

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bit about the script went back and forth

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on a couple different versions of it

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there was a lot of great material from

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Margaret roly's book that the movie is

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based on that that really helped a lot

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in and to me the great part of being a

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historian actually getting to work on

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something like this is that the people

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dedicated to move vertically Ted and the

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cast and the production team were so

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into telling the story and getting it

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right and they wanted as much detail as

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much accuracy as possible I was

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delighted to help them in that direction

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Center wait for the mic to get to you

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and and then name an affiliation please

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I'm an investigative reporter with the

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CBS station in Orlando thank you all so

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much for coming here today my question

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is for each of your characters Octavius

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taraji and Janelle what were some of the

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biggest challenges that your character

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had as a black woman in NASA during this

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time that you playing this character

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like really almost took you back like I

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cannot believe they had to be like I

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guess surprised you but they had but

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they still managed to you know go

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forward and challenge forward what would

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you say each of them for each of them

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well I just think I can't speak for the

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two ladies but in my you know I just

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think that um I actually had a chance to

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meet Catherine Johnson she's still alive

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she's 98 years old and I kept asking her

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those questions because you know I'm a

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I'm a new millennium woman and we have

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rights and you know we can speak our

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minds and so I kept asking her like what

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what was it like you know you had all

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the obstacles stacked against you and

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she just said it was what it was you

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know that's how that's how things were I

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just went to work every day and I

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thought wow what a strong approach

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because you can always sit and complain

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about how bad things are but then what

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is that accomplishing you know and so I

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was like wow um that's pretty amazing

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that's that's pretty selfless because

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obviously what you're doing even though

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you're not thinking I'm going to change

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the world by my actions but you are and

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the fact that these ladies did not

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complain they just got up every day and

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fought the good fight now we have a

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space program I think that's the most

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inspiring thing is knowing that they

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they were able to persevere through

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those obstacles during a time where laws

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really prohibited them from achieving

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their dreams and my character in

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particular Mary Jackson she believed

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that everyone deserved a right to the

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American Dream she believed an equal

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footing equal opportunity not just for

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herself but for the rest of the women

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who worked at NASA

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and so when she was fighting it wasn't

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just for herself it was for everyone

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else who was told that they were not

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good enough because of their gender or

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their their race and I just hope that

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whenever any young girl or anybody sees

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this film that they can look to them for

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hope and inspiration and know that

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they'll come out on top and at the end

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of the day and for me I I think when you

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think of the climate in our country in

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the 60s these women didn't have the

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right to vote at the time that they made

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these contributions to science

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technology engineering and math but they

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didn't look externally for that

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validation they knew that their

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contributions would be a part of

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something greater than themselves so

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when you think about the fact that

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racism was the law of the land

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segregation kept us separated from our

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white counterparts and it didn't change

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their minds that they were able but what

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they were able to contribute but it's

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definitely it was pervasive and and it's

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something that you have to keep in mind

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when you do a period film like taraji

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said you know as modern-day women we

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have agency that they did not have and

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it's what we do with that now that's

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important and being a part of this film

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when two wonderful actresses that I

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admire and then having Kevin Costner Jim

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Parsons Kirsten Dunst Maher Salah Lee

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Aldous Hajj that amazing cast and then

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all the wonderful talent behind the

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scenes people weren't signing on to get

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million dollar paychecks they signed on

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because they believed in this story and

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it deeply affected all of us and

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hopefully it will have a lasting impact

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to the next generation of young girls of

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color and stem down here in front and

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then Ken will come to you is the

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question Robin some angle with the

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observer media I'm a question for a

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taraji Octavia and Janelle did you see

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any comparisons in your own roles as

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ever can American women in Hollywood

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vying for roles that may not be

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available see

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comparisons and yourselves and the

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characters that you play yeah yeah the

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struggle is there the struggle is real

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but again what I learned from Katherine

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is you don't complain I can sit here and

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say oh they didn't pay me enough for

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this role or I didn't get this role or

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that role or but what again what am I

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going to do how what is that helping you

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know so even in the min distri I really

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can't sit here and say Hollywood hasn't

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been good to me I've been working have

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they written enough zeroes on my check

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that's the question but that's not the

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question you asked me because I don't

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write the checks you know but um yeah I

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Hollywood has been good to me I don't

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complain I just do the work and you know

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I look up one day I'm nominated for an

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Oscar I look up one day I have a Golden

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Globe I look up one day and you know so

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you just do the work and all that other

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stuff comes I'm pretty sure Katherine or

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none of these women thought they were

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going to Nassau to change the world they

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were just excited to have a job in the

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field that they studied in school that

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was just a blessing for them so just to

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go to work every day but see they were

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prepared and when opportunity meets

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preparation you can change the course of

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history

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so if you stay focused on your purpose

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then you don't worry about all the

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accolades because that that will come

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people will notice work when you do good

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work it goes you cannot uh notice it you

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cannot not notice it just like this

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story we couldn't keep this story quiet

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forever it was bound to be told because

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the story the work that they did these

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women there was just that amazing yeah I

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think that these women did not really

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think about race or gender until someone

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else made it a big issue and then after

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it started to get in the way of them

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pursuing their dreams and their goals

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that's when they they had to stand up

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for themselves and again I think these

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women are selfless were selfless because

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they were not just doing it for them to

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be happy but for everyone their

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communities to be proud and for the

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women working with them to also have

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those same opportunities and I think in

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my real life I've tried to do that I've

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tried to

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make sure that I'm speaking out whenever

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an injustice is done I believe that an

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injustice done to my sisters is an

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injustice done to me and I think that

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these women took that approach and

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whenever they had opportunities like

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Dorothy's character to bring everyone

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along with them they made that decision

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they stood firmly in that and you know

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did not you know think selfishly about

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it they they were servants of staying on

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in fighting for what's right and I think

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we all do that in our personal lives as

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well I would just add I think both of

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these ladies said spoke eloquently about

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the issues at hand but gender pairs

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gender parity and the workplace is still

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an issue we are fortunate to be in

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entertainment and you know we're

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afforded a certain a certain comfort but

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when you go out into different

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industries you know women should be paid

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as their male counterparts they're doing

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the same job and one thing I would

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really like to credit NASA for is being

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a progressive and their approach because

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they didn't have to open the doors to

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minorities in the 60s but they did they

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didn't have to allow women in positions

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of power at throughout the years but

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they have and they've been very

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inclusive and I think they should be

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other industries should look to that

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sort of thinking because we all have

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something to contribute and if if

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anything I am so I always love John

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Glenn I always I mean he's unique was

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before our time that that all of this

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you know happen but the thing that

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struck me most is that he made a

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decision to put his life in the hands of

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an african-american woman that was not a

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popular decision at the time and if you

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can do that you put aside your

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differences and believe in a person but

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on what they can contribute and how they

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contribute it I mean man mankind we we

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would go beyond the stars again that

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like I can't Kramer universe today in

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Northeast astronomy forum for um each of

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the actors actresses and Pharrell I

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wonder if he could talk a little bit

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more about the research you yourselves

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did in TV each of these women what did

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you learn how did that help you portray

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the women that you portrayed and and how

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did what research did you do to try and

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come up with some topical music thank

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you you can start us off real yeah ok um

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I think from the very beginning from the

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onset for me being from Hampton Roads

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Virginia I was born 11 years after 1962

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was one in 73 and I'm so I grew up with

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that music in my atmosphere I was a part

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of my environment like it was that was

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my life and then there was the when we

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when we you know reached out to Hans

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Zimmer to work on the score which he

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pulled me right back into it and we also

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work with Benoit fish and I think what

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we did is our first objective was to

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make sure that we had a score that did

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not sound like you would expect it to so

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when you think about films the their

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heroic moments or their sad moments or

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you know the devastating moments was

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usually set a chord to chord

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progressions that will be very Anglo and

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euro leaning and we thought well look

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this is the 1960s this is the 1960s

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matrix where the gravity in the physics

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was much heavier on African Americans

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and twice as hard on african-american

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women so we needed to give that

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considers considerations real breathing

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room in our work and so we found

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ourselves trying to make music that we

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felt like would resonate with women

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and would definitely reflect that

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gallant time that those african-american

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women lived through and endured you know

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they as you know as a Tedrow you know

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they saw beyond the numbers they

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actually saw beyond the era and that

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math went on to help John Glenn in his

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orbit you know five times three times in

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five hours and so on and so forth and so

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we needed to give that consideration

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that that I noticed is taking very long

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but that we were trying to connect to

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what it must have been like for people

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who saw beyond their conditions and were

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never waivered yeah you know because

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there was something in them that was

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just a little different than the new and

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I um and that was I was mainly our that

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was mainly our focus you know that and

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just staying away from what you expect

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and and giving you something that

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paralleled what you were going to see on

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screen okay cool

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they did a phenomenal job in terms of

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character research sadly there was not a

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lot of information around my character

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and I know Dorothy because both of our

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brilliant women unfortunately have you

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know passed on and we didn't get the

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opportunity to speak with them and not a

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lot of their family but we did have the

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opportunity to speak with Margolies

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Chatterley's father who worked here at

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NASA with the ladies and I learned so

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many so many incredible things about

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Miss Mary Jackson we didn't get the

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opportunity and that's like a whole

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nother story

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film but after she became the first

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African American female engineer and she

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was just wanting to be an engineer

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because she knew she had the mind she

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had such a broad world view and you know

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she saw beyond her circumstances and and

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just wanted to work and do what made her

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happy but after she achieved that that

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victorious

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a win she hacked into the NASA computers

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and she discovered that women and

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minorities were being paid significantly

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less than you know the white male

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counterparts she presented this

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information to NASA along with a few

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other of her colleagues and she she

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helped advance the careers of more women

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and minorities at NASA and and and

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challenged NASA to and they of course

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were progressive they listened to treat

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them fairly so that right there just

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such an honor to be portraying this one

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we have about five minutes left I want

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to grab a quick call on the phone bridge

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Robert Pearlman from collect space and

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then I'll come back for a couple of

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final questions here before we wrap it

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up Robert

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hi can you hear me yes oh great

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for Ted Melfi and and anyone on the

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panel would like to answer in her book

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Margo leisurely talks about how she was

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mindful that while she was writing about

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the untold history of these hidden

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figures that she also had to be careful

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about not creating a new myth in the

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process so how conscious were you while

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creating the film about what you were

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depicting on screen whether it be

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historically accurate or fictionalized

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for the purpose of telling a larger

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story that what you showed for many in

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the public including many children would

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become accepted as what exactly happened

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well you know I tell us I say it's all

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time but the movie is not a documentary

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I mean you know there's a great

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documentary NASA has some of the

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Discovery Channel called when we left

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Earth which is an exact depiction of the

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Mercury program at that time for the

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most part we were painfully aware and

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very careful with how we portrayed the

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three women and the things that they

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accomplished there are direct quotes in

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the movie John Glenn's direct quote is

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get the girl to run the numbers if she

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says they're good they're good to go

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she then goes and does those numbers

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those calculations for John Glenn took

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three days

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we can't do that in the movie so she's

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even though she's a math genius she's

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nice she's not a bad man that melody so

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yes it took her 25 seconds in the film

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those calculations took three days Mary

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Jackson petitioned the court in Virginia

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and became the you know and and got

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approval to go to an all-white school

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and got that degree and became NASA's

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first erina African American

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aeronautical engineer Dorothy Vaughan

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became the NASA's first supervisor

547
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these things are all facts the space

548
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race is obviously pretty much verbatim

549
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factually and chronologically their

550
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little liberties taken here and there to

551
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dramatize so you know but the crux of

552
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the story is true try to get a last

553
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couple quick quiz

554
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Oh glad question so is this like live

555
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like c-span nasa channel style right now

556
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yeah

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to boldly go ha ha ha ha

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what no man has gone before we're we're

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gonna boldly go in about two minutes so

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I just had to just play live sorry

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Christy says oh I'm a digital media

562
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producer for news 13 in Orlando Florida

563
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you spoke about how upset you were that

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you didn't think that girls could do

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math there was a recent video on the

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hidden figures website where you talked

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about the fact that math that you don't

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have parades for mathematicians mr.

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Melfi said this is something that we

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could use more of in Hollywood when

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we're talking about inspiring not just

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girls but boys to pursue STEM careers is

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do you see this as a way of maybe

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getting more game players in Hollywood

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to make these kinds of movies that's

576
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what I hope that's I hope because this

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movie is so new is so fresh we've never

578
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heard this story before it's not the you

579
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know five thousand ways to play JFK you

580
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know I love JFK we know his story we

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know the man before he became president

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you know I mean this is just a new fresh

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story and I just hope it

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he's Hollywood with a hunger and the

585
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thirst to discover more unheard-of

586
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stories because you know if this story

587
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exists it's one of a million you know so

588
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I just hope this movie hits because

589
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that's what Hollywood get pays attention

590
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always make it money

591
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let's find some more stories we don't

592
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know about you so that's what I honestly

593
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hope that that's what happens films

594
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about smart black people I know that

595
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sounds crazy no I know that sounds crazy

596
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Jack Jack Warner of Warner Brothers when

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the original founders of Warner Brothers

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said movies have to educate and lighten

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and entertain and lately we just been

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entertaining but you have to educate and

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you have to enlighten people that's

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crazy

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do you what we'll talk later that's how

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I choose movies if they educate and

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lighten energy I didn't know somebody

606
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else you all right yeah and so that's

607
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what we're yeah that's that's what

608
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hidden figures is about and and uh

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spread the word cuz because money talks

610
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and your ticket sales matter and that's

611
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when people go see a movie that's when

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they make more of them December 25th

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right

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select theaters January 6 worldwide

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final quick question and then we're

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gonna wrap it and boldly go where no man

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is going back we question for Pearlman

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Michael Phillips with whether boy calm

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who do you find inspirational today as

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relates to science and technology fields

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myself yourself uh Davo who runs JPL

622
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she's another level she's a she's also

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FEMA oh I'm so sorry alright okay Dava

624
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who runs JPL um she's amazing

625
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also Elon Musk um I feel like he is a

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savior for this for this mission in a

627
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lot of ways we don't know what's going

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to happen in the next four years with

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the space program but they're private

630
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organizations like his that are

631
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definitely going to go and no one can

632
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necessarily stop that you know as we

633
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lose our EPA and all these other things

634
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I'm very excited about these individuals

635
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that recognize the importance of space

636
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just like these three african-american

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female protagonists in the 1960s

638
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you know they recognized that that math

639
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was going

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be integral to make advancement in space

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and and we all know any advancement in

642
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space is advancement for our species so

643
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we need more people like that and yeah I

644
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think I think Elon is kind of like I

645
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mean his think about it he has SpaceX he

646
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has tesla nes solar city yes i want to

647
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be a party organization and you know

648
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would like to talk to you about some

649
00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:52,649
stocks too uh yes

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so we can all boldly go where no man has

651
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gone before

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ladies and gentlemen thank you so very

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much for attending this one-of-a-kind

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press event here at the Kennedy Space

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Center

656
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thank you to Ted Melfi Octavia Spencer

657
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taraji ensign Janelle Monae for a

658
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Williams live on cable live on cable

659
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right now haha thank you thank you all

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right wait wait you didn't say he did I

661
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did

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oh I would just talk you were talking

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sorry

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live on cable right now your arms we're